you know, if i find myself down in washington, i'll certainly look him up. but i don't suspect i'll be there anytime soon. >> okay. well, if republicans don't get their act together pretty soon, can they capture a majority in the senate and win back the white house? joining me now is shawn spicer, communications director for the republican national committee. dana loesch, who is a talk radio host and tea party activist. and matt welsh, who's editor in chief of "reason," and he's also author of the book "the declaration of independence: how libertarianism politics can fix what's wrong with america." great to have all you guys here today. [ applause ] and shawn, i know you're shawn spicer. i know that anyway. but let me start with you. republicans are fighting right now, particularly in the house and senate, over whether or not to defund obama care, even if it means shutting down significant portions of the government. good idea, bad idea? >> i think in general it's a good idea. our party is united as far as getting rid of obama care. we recognize the fact tha